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Monday, April 25, 2005

April 25 Frustration Rant

It’s time for another rant.

I want to start out with a warning to my more liberal friends. This rant is anti-Republican, but that does NOT make me liberal. I am anti-stupidity and anti-extremism. The multi-party checks and balances of this country are out of whack at the moment, made so by our electorate. We are at our strongest when we have different parties in control of the Congress and the White House, and right now we do not have that. Right now, we are saved only by those intelligent moderates of the party of power preventing unfettered passing of the most extreme of its party’s agenda.

It is always easier for the party with the most power to push it’s more extreme agendas, while the party not in power has the freedom to point out the absurdities of the other side. It doesn’t mean that there are not absurdities in the weaker side, it simply means that THEY know that there is no way they’re going to get any of theirs passed, while the other side pushes its, figuring this is their best opportunity.

And keep in mind as you read this rant, it is neither liberal nor conservative. It is a rant against tactics, tactics which in this case were employed by the party of conservatives, but the tactics themselves could just as easily be employed by the party of liberals, and I would hate them (the tactics) just as much.

What has brought me to writing this rant is the current debate over the nomination of John Bolton to the position of Ambassador to the United Nations. I think there are some very good questions to be asked as to why this man is considered a good choice, a man who has publicly and loudly derided the U.N. in the past, a man who clearly considers the U.N. to be useless and seems to feel it should be dissolved.

I’m not commenting on any of those views. They may have merit, they may not, but… who nominates someone like that to such a group? It’d be one thing if he has strong criticisms of the group and strong feelings on how to make it BETTER, but his views (at least as far as I’ve seen them) lean not towards FIXING the institution, but doing away with it entirely. Also, like it or not, the U.N. does have some authority over the world that the U.S. does not. Perhaps not much (and this is probably a good thing), but think of it as a neighborhood watch group, sending a representative of each household to meet and discuss the issues pertaining to the neighborhood, and trying to present a unified front in combating the problems OF the neighborhood.

In such a neighborhood group, if there was an outspoken critic of the neighborhood watch group, someone who loudly and publicly stated that the group should be disbanded, that it would be no tragedy if the room in which the group met were hit by lightning killing all inside, and that his house should be free from the influence of and participation in that group, would it make sense for that family to choose THAT person as its representative to the group? How likely are the other members of the group to side with (or even listen to) anything said critic has to say, and how much more useful would it be to that household to have a representative on the group who was less openly critical and resentful of the group?

To me, this all smacks of the continued failings of foreign policy of this administration, which seems to believe that autonomy is all, might makes right, and we don’t need to be good neighbors or work with anyone. But that opinion is tending towards a philosophical bias, so let me get back to my main point.

I recently received an e-mail from an ultra-Republican family member. This e-mail was a “rally the troops” sort of e-mail, casting aspersions on those who would dare to question the wisdom of our President in nominating such a person. It spent a great deal of verbiage asserting that liberals (defined as anyone who could possibly disagree with Bolton’s nomination) didn’t like this nomination because they wanted the U.S. to be merely a state under the U.N.’s one world government.

This is the tactic that I decry, the ascribing to a whole group an opinion that the majority of that group do not hold, and then demonizing them for that opinion. It is the ultimate in “Straw Man” arguing, but apparently we’re so caught up in our “root for my team, root against the other guys” mentality that we no longer can see it, or care.

I don’t dispute that there are people in the world who believe one world government would be a good idea. There are also people who think fascism, communism, slavery and white supremacy are good ideas, it doesn’t make them right and it doesn’t mean that everyone who belongs to whatever political party to which these extremists belong agrees. It is possible to believe that being good neighbors, cooperating and sharing and building alliances is a good thing, and being openly hostile to a group whose charter is to do just that can do nothing but harm.

This is another example of the Republican rallying cry “liberals hate America”. This is patently absurd. People on both sides of the aisle love America, they got into public service in order to make America stronger. They disagree on how to go about that, that’s clear. I’ve said before, I believe the liberals have the stronger philosophy but no clear plan on how to accomplish the things which need to be accomplished, while the conservatives have a weaker philosophy, but are very efficient at pointing out inefficiencies in the system (although based on the pattern of deficit spending in the last 25 years, not particularly efficient at eliminating those inefficiencies).

But I do believe both sides love America, they just have different views of what America should be. Debating those views, and being open to hearing what each side has to say makes us stronger. Setting up such an obvious and easily knocked down straw man as “the other side hates America” just indicates the weakness in your own arguments. When you are forced to rely on such obvious fallacies (obvious to anyone who has ever taken Logic & Argument 101 in college, anyway), you are as much as admitting that you can not win the argument on the merits of your case alone.

And when we, as a society, buy into the straw man in such numbers that we’re willing to break the fundamental separation of powers that keeps this country safe and strong, we harm our great nation, and that is more harmful than any hatred of the country could ever be.

Copyright © April 25, 2005 by Liam Johnson. http://www.liamjohnson.net

13 Comments:

Blogger Ralph said...

So, you are saying that We should have an ambassador who likes the UN?

Monday, April 25, 2005 12:02:00 PM

 
Blogger Liam said...

Well, the point of the piece wasn't about whether John Bolton was a good candidate or not, but whether the tactic of impugning the patriotism of anyone who disagrees with those in power had merit. Also that (IMO) such claims are in and of themselves anti-American, in that they fly in the face of the freedom of expression that we enjoy in this country.

By now you should realize that I'm all about informed debate, and I think most of the problems in our country's political system stem from a sort of Super Bowl mentality, wanting our "team" to win, rather than whoever is best.

But, since you asked, I don't say we need an Ambassador who LIKES the U.N., but we should have one who isn't openly HOSTILE to it. It's one thing to express opinions that something is broken and volunteer to join to try to fix it, it's quite another to openly state that you feel something should be disbanded.

What I really can't figure out is why Bolton would want the job. If he believes that strongly that we should have nothing to do with the U.N., and that it's worthless and should be disbanded, why would he want to take part in such a group?

Again, if we think of the U.N. not as a governing body, but as a meeting of the various households in a neighborhood (those households being countries and that neighborhood being Earth), how is it detrimental to have a common place for representatives from each of the houses to meet to discuss common problems?

And viewed in that context, how does it foster cooperation or communication for one house to send a representative who feels the whole body is useless and should be disbanded? How is that NOT an insult and an inflamatory action towards those whom, as long as we're participating, we're supposed to be employing DIPLOMACY with?

Liam

Monday, April 25, 2005 12:42:00 PM

 
Blogger Ralph said...

As a forum for the world community the UN might work, but only when they are democratic nations. The majority of UN members are not democratic.
Bush clearly thinks that Bolton is the man for the job. He (Bush) has demonstrated a great deal of willingness to work with the UN so far and I see no reason to believe that his intention is to destroy the UN through the Bloton appointment (or by any other means)

Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:00:00 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is it that Bolton has said that leads you to believe he has an overwhelming desire to disband the UN?

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:19:00 AM

 
Blogger Liam said...

Again, I will stress that this isn't about whether Bolton is the man for the job, it's about the insanity in asserting that there's something wrong in asking the QUESTION.

However, one past quote (which I know he said, because I've seen video of when he said it) was: "There's no such thing as the United Nations. If the U.N. secretary building in New York lost ten stories, it wouldn't make a bit of difference".

This quote alone makes it worth questioning both his fitness and his motives for the job. Note that I said QUESTIONING. The quote (and others like it) do not deter him from serving, sometimes the best person for the job is the one who wants it least. But sometimes that's the WORST person for the job, and it is not only the Senate's right, it is their DUTY to ask questions and find out which before confirming the nomination.

The point of my rant will not in any way be lessened if Bolton is confirmed and turns out to be the best U.N. ambassador we ever have. The problem is the notion that it is somehow unpatriotic to question the decisions our President makes, when in fact our country is based on the premise of checks and balances exactly to PREVENT any one person or ruling body from making extreme, rash or inadvisable choices without any confirmation.

It scares me when anyone in the government states a wish to remove any checks and balances, or starts trying to convince the world that disagreeing with our leaders is unpatriotic or treasonous. It scares the willies out of me that we have senators (including one clearly corrupt senator) speaking out against "activist" judges, as though the separation of the Judiciary from the Executive and Legislative branches isn't built into the core structure of our government.

We have checks and balances. We have freedoms. And we have to put up with those checks and balances when they go against us, and those freedoms when they allow someone to say something we don't approve of, so that we are protected when someone else is stopped from extreme behavior by those checks and balances, or when WE are free to state an unpopular opinion.

Nothing could be more American than that, and I will say again, anyone who says that I am unpatriotic, or "hate America" simply because I disagree with this President, feel he is at best incompetant and at worst actively corrupt... Such a person who says that is behaving in a clearly un-American fashion, happy to throw away the freedoms we all have, when those freedoms apply to others rather than themselves. What a selfish notion.

So, to recap: Asking questions is never unpatriotic. Exercising rights and responsibilities is not un-American. And John Bolton, whether he ultimately turns out to be the perfect man for the job or the worst choice that could have been made, deserves to be questioned over his beliefs in order to DETERMINE that, without having the questioner's love of country maligned.

Liam.

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:38:00 AM

 
Blogger Ralph said...

Liam,
But that is exactly what is happening. We are asking whether Bolton is the right man for the job.
So where's the beef?

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:31:00 AM

 
Blogger Liam said...

The beef, the whole complaint, is in the message going around saying that anyone who is asking questions is some sort of left wing nutjob who wants the U.N. to be a World Government, and the U.S. to be merely a state under that government.

Clearly I didn't convey my issues clearly, but the point was that I really don't like the tactics being taken lately by our current government. Tactics of ascribing the views of a few extreme radicals to everyone who disagrees. Tactics of assigning to "hatred of America" the motives of anyone who questions the administration. Tactics of trying to turn the populace against the judiciary for being EXACTLY what it was designed to be: A completely independent check on the power of the other two branches. That's why judges are not elected, and why once appointed, they keep the job until they retire or are impeached. That way, there's ONE branch of government that is free to do what it thinks is right WITHOUT having to be concerned with the impact of those decisions on their own re-election chances.

Our government is very well set up. Two houses of congress, so that in one each state has equal say and in the other, each VOTER has a relatively equal representation. Three branches of government, each with some ability to override the others, some elected (and thus, directly responsible to the electorate) and some appointed (and thus, free from undo influence by the electorate).

So yes, the questions are being asked, and that's a good thing. But when I get an e-mail, purportedly from the Republican party, telling me I should be contacting my representatives and telling them not to listen to the liberal weenies who want to subsume the U.S. under a world government (thereby directly implying that only such people would dare question a Presidential appointment before rubber stamp confirming it), that's when I think things are going awry.

And again, I point it out not because I think it'll change, but because I think as long as we all RECOGNIZE the tactic (the propaganda), we're less apt to fall for it.

Liam.

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:43:00 PM

 
Blogger Liam said...

I should say, by the way, I very much appreciate all of the comments on here. They have allowed me to both clarify where I was clearly inadequate in my original posting, and also expand upon the ideas more.

(For example, I think it was really only in my head that my ultimate goal was information, so that scare tactics don't work, and now thanks to Ralph, I've explicitly stated that, which is probably important.)

Whether I agree with you or not, I very much enjoy the dialog. It makes me stronger, and can force me to examine viewpoints I hadn't previously considered.

So thank you for the input!

Liam.

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:46:00 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You assign blame to the entire administration for daring to paint all who question Bolton's abilities when your proof is one paper sent to you by one of your friends that is puportedly from the Republican part. Isn't that the same tactic you are useing?

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:45:00 PM

 
Blogger Liam said...

You have a point. However, it doesn't make mine any less valid, because my point is to educate people to the tactic so that we don't fall for it.

I use the current administration as an example because I believe they are guilty of it. But I have said before that the only reason why I believe the current party-of-power are the "bad boys and girls" right now is because they ARE in power. The other side is just as apt to do obnoxious things, but the side that's out of power tends to tread much more lightly, they can't afford to alienate anyone.

There are two possibilities here. Possibility one is that the propaganda campaign against anyone who disagrees with the administration is coordinated BY the administration. The second is that it's being coordinated by some other pro-administration faction independently.

It really doesn't matter who is doing it. What matters is that people are FALLING for it, and it is dividing our nation. Arguing that the motivation of anyone who questions the administration is a hatred of America, or a wish to have America sublimate its power to some "World Government" is falacious, and yet people fall for it in droves.

I've been asked to my face why I hate America, when all I'd said was that I didn't believe that the war in Iraq is a good thing. My opinion on the topic is nuanced and not simple a binary "good/bad". There are good things which have been accomplished, but our reasons and our methods have (IMO) been wrong. That's my opinion. It does not have to be yours. But to be told that holding any contrary opinion means that I "hate America" is insulting, and an attempt to shut up dissenting opinion.

Do we *REALLY* want to shut up dissenting opinion? Is that really a good idea? Or does that diminish the greatness of this country? I think the latter.

So yes, maybe it isn't the administration or the Republican party that's behind this PR / Propaganda campaign. But as my original point was to decry the campaign, and not (specifically) those who used it, my point (or at least, my INTENDED point) is still valid.

Liam.

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:59:00 PM

 
Blogger Ralph said...

Liam,
I am still confused by your emotion here. Republicans have supported Bolton and said good things about him. Democrats have not and said bad things. Both sides have rebutted the statements of the other. Nobody is saying that having this debate is a bad thing. I did not know that you were negative about the war. I don't think any less of you for holding a position I think is wrong. I do wonder what brought you to that position but that is another issue. If you don't like Bolton and think having him in the UN is a bad idea, I can live with that. Lets hear both sides and make a decision and then move on.
By the way, judges are elected in California.

Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:06:00 AM

 
Blogger Liam said...

My intent was to complain about the publicity piece that went out, clearly indicating that anyone who was asking questions was a liberal whack-job who wanted the US to be a state under the U.N. as "One World Government", and similar publicity pieces in the past claiming that people who spoke opinions contrary to the administration "hated America".

And on the side, to complain about the tactic of trying to define any judge who is actually DOING the job judges were intended to do (act as a check/balance against other wielders of power) as an "activist" judge.

I was just frustrated that politics in this country seems to have been reduced to "if you don't like it, redefine things to your liking".

I *AGREE* with you that the debate is good. And my reasons for being against the war have to do with our reasons for being in it and the way we went about it. There are certainly good reasons for someone to have gone in there and done something about the situation. But in a time where our #1 priority SHOULD have been tracking down bin Laden (remember him?), we used the war in Iraq as a smokescreen to fool people into THINKING we were doing something about terrorism, when in fact, by diverting our resources, we've allowed bin Laden and a lot of al queda to remain at large.

Be that as it may, yes, let's hear both sides. But let's NOT try to convince the world that the OTHER side is wrong using straw man arguments. I know that the majority of the electorate doesn't care enough for REAL debate, but it still sickens me that we don't even HAVE real debate any more.

Oh, and thanks for the info on CA judges. I was thinking about the Supreme Court Justices, but of course I didn't specifically say that, so it's my fault. Definitely interesting to know how things are done in CA.

Really, Ralph, I don't think you and I are that far apart on this issue. We both want to have an active debate, and neither of us wants to simply attempt to define the other as somehow evil and not worth listening to. We may be on different sides of an issue, but with both agree that the other side has a right to be heard.

Liam.

Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:29:00 AM

 
Blogger Ralph said...

Liam,
I don't think you are evil but there are some folks that make me wonder.

Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:58:00 PM

 

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